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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by wingren013 » Wed May 08, 2013 7:13 pm

argentus wrote:
Erinys wrote:The Tarka civilization experienced a great revolution of thought and ethics during its transition to industrialization. The office of the Supreme Commander is one of a few results of that transformation, but the moral prohibitions against slavery are another.

Slavery is a violation of the rights of the enslaved, but also of the rights of the Gutter Castes to trade labor for the essentials of life at a fair rate of exchange. Tarkas of all social classes are now taught from birth that it is deeply and cosmically wrong, not only to be a slave but to allow slavery to be.

From the Tarka perspective, slavery drags the enslaved down into a place beneath the lowest gutter, and makes a violation out of labor which should be the pride and the livelihood of free people. It cheapens and stains the souls of all who inflict it, all who profit by it, and all who witness it and do nothing: it is a sin beyond murder.

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This to me suggests that communism in its purest form would not take well with the tarka. The essence of communism is that everyone and what they do is the same and everyone deserves the same. But right here I get the impression the Tarka would be almost...insulted by the idea because it would be devaluing their work and their potential to be something more as personified by the Change.



Thats not what pure communism is at all...
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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by argentus » Thu May 09, 2013 2:12 am

Erinys wrote:*shrug* The Orru have been around for centuries. In that time, no one has ever seen them flying around, casting curses on people, bringing sickness and death, marching people off of any cliffs, or generally doing anything that any other group of middle-caste soldiers and craftspeople don't do.

It's hard to be afraid of the mundane. Mecha Empathy is very different from other types of Psionic ability. It's very hard to distinguish from simply being "mechanically inclined", "a great pilot", "handy with machines" etc..

As an example--the character of Kaylee in Firefly is very clearly a mecha empath. Does she seem scarey or threatening to anyone?

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By this same token would Wash be considered an mech-empath? he does seem to have an almost psionic connection with Serenity, especially in the Alliance vs Reavers scene in the movie Serenity. Btw, major browncoat kudos from a avid firefly fan

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by Erinys » Tue May 14, 2013 10:10 pm

All truly great pilots and drivers have a touch of Mecha Empathy, yes. It's an ability that arises naturally in any race once they begin to develop complex machines.

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by Raiga » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:46 am

wingren013 wrote:
argentus wrote:
Erinys wrote:The Tarka civilization experienced a great revolution of thought and ethics during its transition to industrialization. The office of the Supreme Commander is one of a few results of that transformation, but the moral prohibitions against slavery are another.

Slavery is a violation of the rights of the enslaved, but also of the rights of the Gutter Castes to trade labor for the essentials of life at a fair rate of exchange. Tarkas of all social classes are now taught from birth that it is deeply and cosmically wrong, not only to be a slave but to allow slavery to be.

From the Tarka perspective, slavery drags the enslaved down into a place beneath the lowest gutter, and makes a violation out of labor which should be the pride and the livelihood of free people. It cheapens and stains the souls of all who inflict it, all who profit by it, and all who witness it and do nothing: it is a sin beyond murder.

--Arinn


This to me suggests that communism in its purest form would not take well with the tarka. The essence of communism is that everyone and what they do is the same and everyone deserves the same. But right here I get the impression the Tarka would be almost...insulted by the idea because it would be devaluing their work and their potential to be something more as personified by the Change.



Thats not what pure communism is at all...



Communism is basically a trick whereby the government takes everything from you and gives most of it to a small number of elites. Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and 85% of the people who ran the USSR initially were all strongly related to each other by blood and they had their own little scam going with Communism. And plus the USSR murdered hundreds of millions of people in what's known as The Red Holocaust. So in my opinion the Tarka's state has nothing to do with Communism. You might be thinking of Socialism, which is different.

Slavery has a dysgenic trend where it kills creativity and individuality and it makes the masters evolve into parasites that can't live without their slaves.

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by Azrael Ultima » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:54 am

You might want to hit your sources. Physically. That's not even remotely accurate.

The USSR never was communistic in the first place. It was only called such.
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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by ScoSteSal118 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:42 pm

Um, I really don't like getting involved in these discussions, but this is getting painful to read, not to mention taking up more space in the thread the longer it takes you guys to resolve your argument: Could you both please define what you mean by "communism"? Additionally, could Az specifically please explain what utterly disqualifies the Soviet Union from the title "communist"?

Btw, tho, Az, funny joke there ("...Physically") :)


EDIT: What fibio said
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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by fibio » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:02 pm

Better yet guys, take it to misc.
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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by Raiga » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:35 pm

Azrael Ultima wrote:The USSR never was communistic in the first place.

ScoSteSal118 wrote:Could you both please define what you mean by "communism"?


Yeah there's a definition issue. I did capitalize Communism to refer to Marx's scam. I suppose it would be better to call it Marxism. The tribal stuff people talk about when they think of communes are things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy

fibio wrote:Better yet guys, take it to misc.


The original question posed was would the Tarka take to such and such economic/social system, and then it was unclear on what people meant by such systems.

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by Raiga » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:24 am

The Tarka kind of remind me of The Roman Empire. In there, they preferred plain togas as they considered plain colors more refined (whereas the Celts liked vivid colors) and this is mirrored in plain colored skin of Tarka is more high class to them. And then the Romans eventually embracing Christianity near their later days, mirrors the Tarka. I don't know if the Romans cut down on slavery after Christianity, I know Julius Caesar made them cut it down and the Celts didn't have slavery until the Romans wiped out most of their druids who were making them not do that. Though the Tarka never did something like the Romans did to the druids, as far as I know.

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by feld » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:48 am

Erinys,
I am playing a game as Tarka and began studying psionics. I noted that there do not seem to be morale consequences when I do it in game. I am playing my first SotS 2 game as Tarka and so re read their backstory with a particular eye towards psionics and it got me thinking: how do you envision a Supreme would begin such a program?

-Would it likely be a secret thing? The X-files?
-Would he be perceived as a witch lord? A terrifying figure?
-Are all these "psionic" things just ancient superstition to most modern Tarka? Would people think it was a joke? A waste?
-Would it be seen as trying to tap ancient glory?

...I can see many ways in which it could be perceived by my folks and was hoping for some "designers intent" or at least, "designer's ideas".

Thanks in advance for any you care to share.

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by Erinys » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:48 pm

It is essentially an attempt to close the "witch-gap" with other races, to be certain. The Supreme understands that value and can see the possible uses of power--any power.

That being said--yes, the plan is secret. And yes, the subjects taken into the program would glad rightly fear for their lives and personal freedom, because they would essentially vanish into camps and never be seen or heard from again, unless they were willing to become psionic soldiers.

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by Itharus » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:08 am

Ruthless little lizards, aren't they?
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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by ScoSteSal118 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:39 am

What all happens to the 'disappeared' Tarkans with psionic potential?
Do all of them get made into 'psionic soldiers'/other such functionaries?
Do some have insufficient ability for such jobs or else have no ability but the possibility that their descendants might, and if so what happens to them?
Do those that don't get made into ''psionic soldiers'/other such functionaries' get 'eliminated,' do they form a separate ghettoized society (in secret government bases/sites/camps), or does something else happen to them?

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Re: RACE: TARKA

Post by feld » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:00 pm

Erinys,
Thank you kindly. That hit the spot.
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