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Ruathan
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Liir and breathing gear

Post by Ruathan » Mon May 28, 2012 5:48 pm

While the Liir are certainly known for their lung capacity, I would imagine that certain situations would pop up where they would need to stay down for longer than their natural breathhold allows. In such situations what kind of breathing gear might they prefer to use?

Also, if there were a situation that required it (IE Extreme depth engineering), would a non-Black Swimmer ever make use of liquid breathing equipment? Or would they just make use of remotes or even Black Swimmers for such jobs?

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Re: Liir and breathing gear

Post by fiendishrabbit » Mon May 28, 2012 6:15 pm

Kind of hard to imagine the depths necessary for a liir to have to use specialty gear.
They're telekinetic down to microscopic level (so no divers disease). Not to mention adapt at deep sea diving.
A larger liir could probably dive several kilometers deep unassisted, even without his telekinetic power.
With telekinetics and a breathing apparatus (which has to be pressure-adjusting. A mechanical feat that's relatively easy though for a spacefaring civilization) I don't think they have a lot of limits to what they can achieve without resorting to liquid breathing.

The practice of drowning black swimmers is a practical one. If your ship is filled with an oxygenated liquid you suddenly have a lot of leeway in terms of accidents (both in the bulk of already oxygenated liquid passing around in the ship and in the limited amounts of re-oxygenation devices necessary) and your crew has easy access to the entirety of the ship.
For a civilian ship you could easily design something which features breathing pools, and relying on less radical solutions to overcome technical difficulties.
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Re: Liir and breathing gear

Post by Tarrak » Mon May 28, 2012 6:49 pm

I do believe that Black Swimmers and thier ships are fully contained with water, or perhaps fluid. The process of entering the Black Swimmers is also called The Drowning, so it seems the Liir have a way to make breathing in fluid a skill. Maybe it is forever (Black Swimmers are after all 'dead' but that seems to have more to do with what they have to do)?
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Re: Liir and breathing gear

Post by fiendishrabbit » Mon May 28, 2012 6:56 pm

Tarrak wrote:I do believe that Black Swimmers and thier ships are fully contained with water, or perhaps fluid. The process of entering the Black Swimmers is also called The Drowning, so it seems the Liir have a way to make breathing in fluid a skill. Maybe it is forever (Black Swimmers are after all 'dead' but that seems to have more to do with what they have to do)?


It's an oxygenated liquid of unknown composition, basically any oxygenbreather could breathe it just fine (well, probably. Who knows that it will do to non-liir lungs over time. Possibly toxic too to some species).
As for learning how to breathe fluid. The same way as humans? Well, we haven't really tried it on humans, but it seemed to work out just fine for mice.
Anyway, regardless if the liquid is oxygenated or not all airbreathers have a drowning reflex triggered by water getting into the lungs.
VERY uncomfortable experience.

And it's not forever, but breathing air again after breathing liquid for years is bound to be just as uncomfortable.
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Re: Liir and breathing gear

Post by Erinys » Mon May 28, 2012 9:06 pm

And sometimes fatal, yes.

To answer the question: to travel to abyssal depths for long periods of time, or in toxic environments, Liir use enveloping battlesuits filled with oxygenated fluid medium which circulates all over the body, but is specially filtered for the air passage.

And yes, an abrupt and unsupported shift from breathing oxygenated fluid to gas atmosphere can be fatal at times. Generally Liir can withstand it, especially with peer support, but it certainly contributed to Ishii's death and an alien who had been breathing Liir fluid for a while might go into cardiac arrest or shock if there was no help with the transition.

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