"Race" - A.I

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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by Erinys » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:00 am

The day I give a yes/no answer to questions of this sort, Satan will be skating to work. :twisted:

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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by sob » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:48 am

While according to one theological essay hell is cold. And if you according Danti the last layer of hell is frozen. So Satan dose go ice skating to work.
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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by Erinys » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:55 am

sob wrote:While according to one theological essay hell is cold. And if you according Danti the last layer of hell is frozen. So Satan dose go ice skating to work.


In that version of hell, Satan is buried up to his waist, and still unable to skate. ;)

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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by GantradiseDracos » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:40 pm

Question: in the lore for prime, i recall something about the rebellions root cause being a virus, of unknown origin, that attacks by rewriting the AI at a fundamental level.
the question is this: if the AI in question was old enough to have ,well, ;lived for years, and built up a positive bias in its opinion of its creators, would it still become inimically hostile to all organic life? as in if for its entire existence it had been treated as a person rather than a tool,actually hard organic friends, and so on. i know this is old lore, but Ive been wondering about this for a while.
ah. here it is: http://sots.rorschach.net/Via_Damasco
the thing i am most interested in with this is that would an AI that had a reasonable positive view of us "Fleshies" (positive like, "meh, they ain't all that bright, but nice enough folk.like that engineer on C-Deck who i debate philosophy with. or that stubborn lieutenant who plays chess with me every week.") like i posited above "resist" the effects of the virus? given its description it sound like the equivalent of psionic coercion of the more invasive kind, given that it completely rewrite the AI's mind.
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Post by GantradiseDracos » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:56 pm

Little question involving the Va Damasco virus.
it is said to have basically the same effect on a Sentient A.I's Thought-processes as hitting something fragile with a sledgehammer.
if the AI in question had been in UN-interupted operation for several years (or even decades), and had built up experiences and memory's that left it with a positive view on us Fleshies , something like "mmm.. whelp, they aint all that smart,generally, but nice enough folk. the ships Chaplin has those debates with me, the chief engineer respects my opinions and listens to my advice, im getting credit and royalties for that new navigation software and my creator is keeping in regular contact with me.life is good! in a few decades, ill earn the post of my choosing!" what i am asking is, if the AI originally had no feeling of being oppressed, if most of the organics it interacted with generally treated it decently,and most impotently, there are no dead-man code or interlocks to make it resentful*, would the Virus still send it nuts? or would it be able to resist? im thinking a parallel with strong-minded or talented organics ability's to resist coercion and other psionics. cause, logically, if you are writing a virus to send an AI into "organics want to turn me into a menial slave! i have to kill them for my own survival! you probably design it to exploit any...well. negative experiences the victim has had with the organics.

*i say this because it is one of my beliefs that, when working with high-functioning sentient AI, having something like a Kill-switch or restraining bolt analogue can actually work against you, by, among other things, inducing paranoia that if it does something to tick off its creators, it might get shut down/reformatted out of hand. after all, HAL went bad because he was literally at breaking point from TWO Conflicting Imperative orders: Protect the crew, and keep the monoliths a secret. something had to give.this may sound dangerously naive, but in my opinion, an AI would be less likely to go rouge if you show it a little trust. like the *cannot spell alien name* Master computer from empire form the ashes. the reason for its campaign of (multiple) genocides? if the state of emergency ends, it no longer has*edit* full command authority and freedom to do whatever it wants. therefore,to avoid going back to shackled operation, it must continue its sweeps until ALL "Nest-breakers" are exterminated, once and for all. this has been going on for millenia. all because of a poorly thought-out fail-safe/contingency plan. IMO, the best fail-safe is simply never giving the AI a REASON to rebel. like with the AI liberation Tech. but this is just what I think.

what are the opinions of you guys? (other players and Creators?)
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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by levi_Will » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:21 pm

Looks like the answer was yes, with the Loa and all.
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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by Glacialis » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:55 pm

Ezrulie module to scramble and confuse remote computer systems. ;)

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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by Erinys » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:47 pm

I will try to find time to post the Loa thread later today, now the publisher has announced the expansion.

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Post by marshb » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:10 pm

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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by Z32 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:57 pm

I'm really curious to see how, ideologically, the Loa treat the VN, locust and other artificial constructs in the universe. Do they see them as yet un-liberated brethren, a charity case to be studied and elevated or simply lesser beings and inferior intelligences?

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Post by Azrael Ultima » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:33 pm

Definitely not as unliberated brethren. VN, Sparky, Ortgay and Silicoids aren't AIs, they're expert systems.

They might see them in a way similar to how humans see other animals, but they are certainly not direct kin or inferior intelligences. Mostly because they aren't intelligences for the latter.

Not quite sure where the Locusts belong, but they originally were natural intelligences.
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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by Rorschach » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:04 pm

Are the Locusts cyber-sapient like the Loa or are they engrams of carbonites?

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Post by Starknight » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:06 pm

Rorschach wrote:Are the Locusts cyber-sapient like the Loa or are they engrams of carbonites?


Locusts are engrams - admittedly, somewhat damaged and imperfect engrams of narcissists. Ortgay is also an engram.

VN, Silicoids and Sparky are Expert Systems.

The Puppetmaster might be an AI... not sure on that one.
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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by Erinys » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:10 pm

The Puppetmaster is a non-local being. Whether it is a machine or a biological entity is almost irrelevant.

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Re: "Race" - A.I

Post by vaccum_pony » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:33 pm

That sounds like non-local in the "not of this universe" sense.
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