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Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by ForgedAscendant » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:55 am

I was thinking about this the other day and I have a question: Being that the Morriggi drive tech is based off of gravity, shouldn't it be the larger the ship the faster it moves in combat and the smaller the slower? Also shouldn't the gravity of the star/planets affect the speed at which they can manuver much like the Liir?

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Cpt. Awesome » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:09 pm

Well you have to remember that the Liir are the only race whose engines are used for both sub-FTL and FTL speeds. So FTL type doesn't factor in too much in combat speeds.

As for ship size, I think about it as "the larger ship has more energy/mass to play with, but has proportionally equally bigger energy/mass requirements for FTL".

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Tarrak » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:15 pm

Cpt. Awesome wrote:Well you have to remember that the Liir are the only race whose engines are used for both sub-FTL and FTL speeds. So FTL type doesn't factor in too much in combat speeds.

As for ship size, I think about it as "the larger ship has more energy/mass to play with, but has proportionally equally bigger energy/mass requirements for FTL".

I believe that the Tarka also use the same engines once they reach antimatter.
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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Azrael Ultima » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:19 pm

Actually, Morrigi and high-tech Tarka(i.e. Warp) also use their FTL engines for STL.
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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by feld » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:53 am

ForgedAscendant wrote:I was thinking about this the other day and I have a question: Being that the Morriggi drive tech is based off of gravity, shouldn't it be the larger the ship the faster it moves in combat and the smaller the slower?


To understand what you're asking I have a question: why do you say that the larger ship should move faster? Is it because a larger planet has a larger gravity force on its surface?

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Erinys » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:27 am

The way a vehicle achieves superluminal speeds over long distances and the way it achieves acceleration in normal space time (combat thrust) are not always the same thing.

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Glacialis » Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:45 pm

Look at birds flying in a V formation. They do this because those in the front provide an efficiency boost to those behind them. The Morrigi flock mechanism operates on similar principles, replacing gravity for air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_formation

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Post by Nspace » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:58 am

If I understand correctly, larger ships already contribute more to the flock effect then smaller ships.
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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by ForgedAscendant » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:17 am

To understand what you're asking I have a question: why do you say that the larger ship should move faster? Is it because a larger planet has a larger gravity force on its surface?


I am quoting what we do know about gravity:

Force = Gconstant(Mass1*Mass2)/radius^2

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Erinys » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:44 am

What we know about gravity is insufficient to build a Void Carver. ;)

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by ForgedAscendant » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:11 am

I realize that and I am not trying to be a pain about this because lets face it, if it was the case then every other race would be doomed when a Morriggi LV moves around like a drone, a DN moves like a battlerider, and crusiers move as they do, battle riders move like DNs and drones move like LV. So in no way am I suggesting it should be done. But it seemed strange to me to justify the Liir movement penalty with gravity but at the same time ignore what we know about gravity with a race that built a drive based on it.

Yes I know what you're thinking...D@#^ those engineers :lol:

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by erdrik » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:27 am

SotS1 Wiki wrote:The Morrigi use a Void Cutter gravitational drive. A Void Cutter engine, once engaged, uses gravimetric focusing to bend space-time around the ship, accelerating it to FTL speeds. When it does so, it creates a ripple behind the ship like a "bow wave" which other ships using a similar drive can join, and allow more efficient FTL travel, increasing the speed of all the ships in the "flight". This is known as a "Flock Effect". Morrigi travel is slowest alone, and fastest when in large numbers. Special Gravitation boost ships can increase the speed of the fleet further.


The ships use gravity to form a secondary effect that 1) accelerates a ship to FTL speeds, and 2) creates a tertiary effect that other Morrigi ships can coast in.
The specialized ships can use gravity to increase the tertiary effect, and to slow the movement of all other enemy ships.
The level of control from their ships would indicate the Morrigi have the means to negate any negative effects from external gravity sources.
Just a guess. :P

Im not sure the details of why a Liir ship is slowed in a gravity well.
EDIT: I feel like it was mentioned by either Mecron or Erinys at some point in the past, but Ive forgotten it. :?
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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Azrael Ultima » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:19 pm

Tertiary.


From what i remember, grav wells somehow interfere with the way the Liir are doing their microports, forcing them to port over smaller distances. I think it also had something to do with how fast the calculations can be done.
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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by feld » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:48 pm

Erinys wrote:What we know about gravity is insufficient to build a Void Carver. ;)

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What!?!! Well then what's that dumb thing I've been trying to build in my garage since college ??@!?!?!

Oh. Sorry. That was a warp drive. Different thing entirely. My intermix calculations are still off though...

Seriously, I was trying to figure out why the OP asked what they asked to perhaps see their new and interesting realms of speculation ... (making connections between S and SF is a personal hobby). But, given that the answer to my question was Newton's gravitational formula...I just don't really have any better ideas than:

Erinys wrote:What we know about gravity is insufficient to build a Void Carver. ;)

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Sorry ForgedAscendant!

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Re: Morriggi Drive Tech

Post by Korgan » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:00 pm

Azrael Ultima wrote:Tertiary.


From what i remember, grav wells somehow interfere with the way the Liir are doing their microports, forcing them to port over smaller distances. I think it also had something to do with how fast the calculations can be done.


Yup, i'm guessing something to do with how gravity wells cause a curvature in space, hence the improvement from curvature compensating drives.

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