Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by BlueTemplar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:00 am

Hydro, wind and earth solar are much less efficient than space solar, especially if you put the solar collectors closer to the sun. On-planet hydrocarbon supply is limited (if there is even any), and you have a LOT more methane on gas giants.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by Azrael Ultima » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:06 pm

Sure, but you go ahead and build a solar collector the size of a planet. It's less efficient, but a) it's there anyway, b) it's much larger than what you can build in a reasonable timeframe c) it probably has the resources needed to build said stuff and it's much easier to use them down below than carry them up.
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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by BlueTemplar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:04 pm

I'm assuming we have the option of starting "up" here. And maximum wind and hydropower is much much less that a solar collector the size of a planet so you can't compare like that.
The efficiency when considering their cost also probably around the same order of magnitude than planet surface solar collector (as evidenced by the price of electricity in RL), therefore way less than space solar.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by Azrael Ultima » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:26 pm

I dunno about your place, but where i live, the price for electricty actually has very little to do with how expensive it is to produce.
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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by DemoMonkey » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:58 pm

Making a planets population dependent for their survival on a great big target floating in space seems like bad civic planning.

Perhaps orbital stations are just too vulnerable for a race as justifiably paranoid as the Loa. Just because they CAN do something doesn't mean there aren't good reasons for NOT doing it.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by BlueTemplar » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:32 pm

I dunno about your place, but where i live, the price for electricty actually has very little to do with how expensive it is to produce.

I was talking about the price to produce obviously.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by Xeorm » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:36 am

I would bet that fusion reactors would be much, much cheaper than building solar stations.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by fibio » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:45 am

Maybe in twenty years when we get them working ;p
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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by BlueTemplar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:58 pm

:facepalm:

Exactly! Why didn't we think of that!

Doesn't really answer the "why not in space?" problem though... one possible answer could be that the only way to get the fuel for the fusion reactors they found (that is economical) is to extract it from seawater, and if you put extraction facilities on the planet, and most of the infrastructure needed to support them, why not settle it altogether?

Note that solar collectors could still be useful, since they have different constraints and advantages than fusion reactors.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by Aranador » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:35 pm

An alternative line of thinking :

Perhaps the Loa (and ever other race) already does all these nifty things - but it is all abstracted in the game.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by Railgunner2160 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:23 pm

I personally like the space solar power system depicted in Gundam 00, Three orbital elevators with a ring in low orbit with solar collection satellites mounted on it with high orbit stations and balancers. I really recommend watching it to get a better idea of what I'm talking about, also highly recommend it to any gundam and general science fiction fans...
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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by Mecron » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:57 pm

Arandor has it right.

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by vaccum_pony » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:54 pm

I assumed the Loa use solar platforms for power collection like those mentioned in 'Singularity Sky'. Once they reach AM anyway.
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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by BlueTemplar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:45 pm

Nice book, great author! ;)

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Re: Why don't the Loa build orbital power collectors?

Post by vaccum_pony » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:35 pm

He's O.K. His ideas are good, but his writing is so-so. He really needs to learn to write outside the confines of his own ethics and economics.
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